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Posted by Tiki on 01-16-2006 1:24 AM
I'm reposting the start of the thread, as I have it saved. Hopefully one or two others may be making progress with the book.

Synopsis
Translucence is bringing about a gentle yet profound revolution in human consciousness. Millions of people from all walks of life are experiencing a deep change in awareness, an experience marked by a new sense of well-being, and increasing joy in life, a diminishing of fear - including fear of death - and a natural impulse to serve the world in a real way. This book describes this awakening and offers readers opportunities to cultivate and encourage translucence in their own lives.

 

 

There’s a lot to say about this book and I imagine there will be a full discussion emerging soon. For me, it just seemed PRACTICAL, a look at what lived presence or spirituality can look like when it comes down off the mountain top. I doubt it will be any surprise to those of you who know me at all that I find the masculine spiritual tradition remote and isolating. This books talks about an engaged, active, thoughtful and thoroughly meaningful involvement in life. Not a rejection of or separation from the world at large. It’s involved, present and playful.

As the book progresses, it plays a game of debunking spiritual myths. I think I cheered at almost every one of them, and blushed occasionally as I recognised how far some of them had entered my own assumptions along the way, at least for a time. What a blessed relief to be rid of so much dead wieght! More thoughts on some of these later, perhaps, but here’s the list.

Ardagh’s Spiritual Myth’s List

  1. After a spiritual awakening, there is no more ego and personality traits disappear completely. What remains is just a homogenous oneness with everything.
  2. Awake people are not identified with the personality and therefore have no interest in changing it.
  3. Awake people have no sense of a separate doer. Therefore they do not initiate action, but sit quietly doing nothing and wait for things to happen by themselves.
  4. People who are awake do not have feelings, particularly "negative" ones like anger, fear, jealousy or greed. Instead, they are always calm, in an unchanging state, feeling an unbroken oneness with everything.
  5. You have to choose between feelings and presence. When you have feelings, you have lost who you are.
  6. Awakened people do not need anything from anyone. They do not have relationships, since they feel oneness with everything.
  7. It does not matter what you say or do. Once you are enlightened, every action, even lying or manipulating is spontaneously for the good of all beings.
  8. After an awakening there is only peace and harmony with everyone, with no need to do anything. Translucent relationships are always harmonious.
  9. Sex is an event of the lower chakras. Awakened people have transcended sex. Sexual energy completely disappears with awakening.
  10. Awake people automatically have open and flowing sex, without the need for any practice.
  11. Having children is a distraction to spiritual life. Like Buddha, Jesus and all the great masters, you must choose between family life and spiritual freedom.
  12. After an awakening, all the negative influences from your family will dissolve through divine grace. You will spontaneously know how to be a perfect partner.
  13. Awakened people are naturally creative. Great art flows through them spontaneously, without any need for formal training or skills.
  14. Spiritually awake people would have no need to paint, write poetry, or make music; those are all just activities of the restless mind.
  15. After a spiritual awakening there is no need to learn anything; you already are everything.
  16. Business and spirituality are two separate arenas of life; it’s inappropriate and embarrassing to mix the two.
  17. After any kind of spiritual awakening, money will flow easily and effortlessly into your life, with little or no effort.
  18. Money corrupts. Anyone with real spiritual integrity should not be concerned with money, success or the world.
  19. Awakened people are always in perfect health; they never get sick.
  20. Those awake to their real nature have spontaneous healing powers. Like Jesus, they can cause the sick to rise up and walk.
  21. After an awakening, no-one needs psychotherapy; there is no ego and no personal life remaining.
  22. Awakened people are beyond attachment to the body. They have no care if it lives or dies.
  23. After a spiritual awakening, there is no more need for religion. All churches are just for sheep to blindly follow rules.
  24. Only very few people in all history have ever known real spiritual experience. The rest of us must be content with a contact high.
  25. There is a specific state, in the future, that you can aspire to, where evolution is complete. Then you will flatline and nothing will ever happen again. Till then, you know nothing.
  26. Spiritual people are beyond the mundane activities of the world; they re just one with what is. Politics and activism are dirty and ignorant.
  27. Everything is happening on its own. There is nothing you can do, and no doer anyway. Nostradamus said there would be a big war, followed by two thousand years of peace. The Mayans support this, and so did the tea leaves in ,my cup this morning. Involvement in the ways of the world is just interfering with the divine plan.
  28. We are entering a golden age; all we have to do is to mediatate and to love each other and chant Om and the world’s problems will evaporate automatically.
  29. Capitalists and big corporations are evil. We need an armed insurrection; we can overthrow the oppressors, and the enlightened ones will rule supreme. The worls can only be changed through militant political insurrection.

Liz

 


Posted by rose1 on 01-29-2006 3:07 AM
dead people are dead
you are not able to reverse the process

its eaten up
and
then
you are free

Posted by Balder on 01-29-2006 6:54 PM
Hi, Tiki/Liz,

I just picked up my copy of The Translucent Revolution; it finally arrived at the local bookstore.  I'm hoping a discussion on it will still develop here, though it may be a week or so before I'll have anything to contribute.  I'm finishing up Radical Knowing, and then I'll turn to this book.

I did notice that Ardagh's son shares the same name with my son: Abhi.  I like the book already!

Best wishes,

Bruce

Posted by Kunsang on 02-20-2006 1:44 PM
It would be interesting to hear about this book. I went to a workshop with him a couple of days ago and was decidedly unimpressed.

K

Posted by Tiki on 02-21-2006 12:19 AM
For me, one of the books great joys is isn't prescriptive. It's more like a narrative of observations. The pursuit of one's spiritual side doesn't come with any set of rules or requirements. I found that level of acceptance liberating and to some extent a relief. Certainly I'm influenced by traditional masculine models of spirituality having seemed increasingly irrelevant for me first while growing up and probably almost ever since.

I'm glad Bruce is reading the book and I know several others had started on it. I've been a bit pushed for time but there is more I'll do on this when I can.

Liz

Posted by maryw on 02-21-2006 11:24 AM
I'm now starting to read it too -- enjoying it so far!

Later,

Mary W.

Posted by Balder on 02-21-2006 12:25 PM

Reading the first couple chapters of the book was interesting for me.  I had a kind of "recognition" that used to be with me fairly regularly some years ago -- an awareness of the field of experience without being identified with an observer, and a feeling as if my body and thoughts had the same transparency -- and it came back to me while reading those chapters, not just as a memory but as a kind of "stirring" again.  That is not my usual experience these days, however, so it was interesting to have that reawakened (however faintly) just by reading a number of clear pointings.

I am enjoying the book overall, though some of it strikes me as a little idealistic and over-generalized.  I'll withhold these kinds of opinions for now, as I'm still in the first third of the book.

Kunsang, I'm curious what rubbed you the wrong way or let you down in the conference you attended.

Best wishes,

Balder


Posted by Kunsang on 02-28-2006 5:30 PM
Balder, my problem was that I didn't feel him at all. The entire four hours felt rehearsed, like he just did the same thing as a hundred times before. He also very clearly took a higher road, making himself out to be more enlightened than us; the first quality I look for in enlightened people is humility. Additionally, he didn't seem able to reach out to people as fellow human beings as much as people to cure of the curse of dualism. Some of the attendees had questions that were very down to earth and clearly had a lot of emotional weight to them but he didn't touch on it at all, choosing instead to repeatedly opt for the "but you see, you cannot fix the ego, because it doesn't exist you see. You're just deeply confused, sweetheart! Once you become enlightened like me, you will see how this problem of yours doesn't exist!". He seemed somewhat lost in nihilism, a "dried up yogi", unable to see the value of just being human. And for someone who claimed to have no thoughts, he seemed awfully intellectual.

One of my "talents" that my practice has lead to is the ability to read people on an almost vibrational level. The last year or two has made me realize that when I don't feel completely at ease with someone, it's because I'm picking up on something fishy. In this case my gut feeling was that truths were being proselytized by someone who had stopped looking a bit too early.

But that was just my impression after four hours of workshopping. He is probably a lot deeper than what I gathered from my first impression. And then I consider myself a bit of a guru-buster so I'm probably extremely biased.

So take it for what it's worth... :)

Kunsang

Posted by Balder on 02-28-2006 6:15 PM
That's interesting, Kunsang, and a little ironic, given the contents of Ardagh's book and the thrust of his message.  I guess we often teach what we most need to learn.

Of course, I am remembering to take your comments with a grain of salt, not having met him myself... :)

Posted by UnrulyJulie on 02-28-2006 10:27 PM

I got about halfway through, and since I am not translucent myownself (yet), I guess an external observer could well comment that I can't understand the reference point so why did I read the book?  Well, there's nothing on the Amazon site saying "Caution: if you are NOT enlightened, this book will be over your head."  Probably would help sales. 

Have you ever noticed that the first thing that they do in owner's manuals for your car or TV or whatever is to congratulate you for possessing the fine discernment of buying this product?
I almost felt like there was a message of "Congratulations on your Enlightenment, if you're lucky you didn't have to do anything to realize it!   Now let me tell you about all the fine features of awakening that you will enjoy and experience."

It also seems to read as an advertisement for a select set of Advaitist "You are That Now" teachers and teachings.  Or maybe I'm just feeling a little cynical tonight.[*-)]

I AM a fan of Adyashanti's (going to one of his retreats this summer just to see what happens), but he has extensive background in Zen, so I find him more grounded in a sense of the tradition and struggle of the process than what I have read  the others. 

But many of the other teachers interviewed are pretty obscure (Byron Katie and Andrew Cohen being two notable exceptions), including the author.

(Off-topic Byron Katie gossip--a woman on another forum told the story about her visit to a Byron Katie seminar--she asked a question about feeling older,  how to deal with the aging process.  She describes Katie launching into her for not loving herself the way she was, how could she not present a true picture of herself by surgery, treasure every wrinkle (Julie says "Bite me") and generally making her feel like chit for even having these thoughts of betraying her own true nature. And then the woman reads about Katie having a face-lift.  Annoyed doesn't begin to describe it.)

Are there really no worthwhile Buddhist, Christian, or Jewish teachers who are awakened?

It's been a while since I put it down, I probably ought to reopen it if the conversation is going to start.  Maybe I dreamed it all....it's only the demented rantings of an opaque mind, anyway.

Ever unruly---Julie

Posted by pauliiam on 03-10-2006 4:09 PM
Idea  havent read the book  so forgive me if i seem naieve but reading this post and the replies is for me growtyh in itself  ........Big Smile  i love looking outside me  ..  no longer for answers but for fun (for me if its not fun then its not realy  what i want as growth)Coffee
if i want to lok within i will yet there are timeswhen looking within is not for me right then  and usually when i stop and actually do it  then thats my fascination  (fun) at the time     yes i might be ancient but im also a big kid thank you all  pauli amming ..Right Hug   

Posted by Tiki on 03-11-2006 8:02 AM
And the top of the morning to you, my Irish neighbour! We need some balance from our side of the big pond.

I got so much from that book, but need to go back through again and find the bits that really raised things for me. Julie, I didn't get, for once in my life, any feeling that it was speaking to an audience of enlightened beings. In fact I didn't feel castigated or inadequate with any of it(usually spiritual books make me feel I'm not really making enough effort, I'm a walking self reinforcing guilt trip if I allow myself to be).

I really did feel a lot of things I recognised in the book, alond with a sense of license that it was OK to be me, to find my own understanding of what my spirituality means for me and how I encompass that in the way i choose to live.
Sure I wouldn't claim to be translucent, transparent or even vaguely see through, but I do think loads of people are developing an awareness of something and it's not sages and wise holy men, its ordinary folk with ordinary lives.

Liz

Posted by UnrulyJulie on 03-12-2006 5:07 PM

Liz' response prompted me to reflect on the absolute wealth of teachings that are available today.  We have the luxury of reading books or listening to audio by virtually any spiritual tradition (or even non-tradition) that speaks the most truly to the heart.

And I am forced to reflect again upon the tragedy of individual religions, developed and nurtured in relative isolation hundreds or even thousands of years ago, whose adherents continue to argue that their way is the only way, all others' beliefs are wrong, even evil.

My continuing refrain is that Truth exists independent of beliefs. Taking as a working hypothesis that Truth/God/Spirit/That is what can be found, indeed, was never lost, is just the first stage of inquiry.

Our teachers are the ones that speak the language, even in the rhythms and cadences, that our hearts were meant to hear; their words enter our existence at levels underneath conscious thought, taking up residence without our even being aware of them.  Most traditions can be readily unpacked in ways that will lead to the experience of truth.  The route taken is unimportant, as long as we don't impose the path on others.

Our luxury is that we can all revel, dive and rejoice in the vast number of voices for a neuro-linguistic match to our brain's own software.  Public libraries (at least in larger metro areas) have a wide variety of  teachings, the Internet gives voice to the authentic as well as the nutcases, but we have to trust our highest self, the still small voice, that knows what is really true, rather than a belief set that conveniently panders to our lowest instincts and allows us to set ourselves above those who believe differently. 

I have discovered a tradition that matches my experience of the world, I am fortunate that at this point in time there are hundreds of books available, hundreds of web sites, even practice centers in this country.  Even fifty years ago, these teachings, much less teachers who could speak English were unavailable in the West. 

And some visit each other here, to exchange views.  Tiki, I would like to hear more about the way that Ardagh's words impacted you and spoke to your true sense of yourself--perhaps I can carry a recommendation for the book forward to someone new who has similar questions. Part of the purpose of the book club, and the forum as a whole, is cross-pollinization of ideas.

And all of us can rejoice in the plentitude of genuine paths and teachers that are available to help us to Awakening. Handsprings and jumping jacks for everyone!  [<:o)]

Namaste--Julie

Beat the logoff gremlin again!!!!Weeee--heeee!

Posted by crystallake2 on 03-25-2006 2:00 PM

I am half way through "The Translucent Revolution" and I am finding it...boring.


The information is good, but basic. I don't claim to have mastered what it is saying , to be practicing all of it or to have "arrived" as a translucent. I feel I could better spend my time with something else, even though Ken Wilber did the forward. Does this "lifestyle" represent a new generation that has truely transcended the baby boomers? Its important that the Integral "movement" is being articulated in a way that anyone can grasp, and that's a good thing about this book.


I find it interesting that Ken Wilber did the forward, not Eckhart Tolle. This book has another first, a book where Ken Wilber's writing and quotes from Eckhart Tolle share the same binding under the same title. 

In the "Who's Who" section, the author mentions Eckhart Tolle and Andrew Cohen, but not Ken Wilber. [*-)]

 Perhaps this is rather opaque of me, am I not being translucent enough? (I hate having high expectations, then not living up to standards. This is the new "in crowd? Be there or be square?)

Dan


Posted by UnrulyJulie on 03-25-2006 5:23 PM
There must be some sort of word-of-mouth out on this book--I stopped at my local Borders today, and they were putting out 4-5 copies out on the shelf. Very rarely do they put that many of any individual book on the self-help/metaphysics/Eastern religions shelves, unless it's Dr. Pheel or endorsed by Oprah.

Go figure.