The Evolving Self. Part 2. The Sensibility of Right Judgment.  
Robert Kegan
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Robert Kegan is a founding member of Integral Institute and the author of the critically acclaimed books The Evolving Self, In Over Our Heads, and How the Way We Talk Can Change the Way We Work.

Bob is the first-ever Meehan Professor of Adult Learning and Professional Development at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. As the holder of this endowed chair, Bob has the official support of HGSE to pursue developmental studies for the rest of his career. This is significant. For the past several decades developmental studies have fallen upon some hard times in academia, and the fact that HGSE has decided to so clearly support Bob's work is a welcome sign that the winds may be shifting.

Extensive cross-cultural research has shown that people grow through psychological stages of increasing competence, care, and concern. Each stage transcends and includes the function of what came before, but excludes an exclusive identity with that function.

In Bob's work he outlines Five Orders of Consciousness:
First Order: Impulsive—Perceives and responds by emotion.
Second Order: Imperial—Motivated solely by one's desires.
Third Order: Interpersonal—Defined by the group.
Fourth Order: Institutional—Self directed, self authoring.
Fifth Order: Interindividual—Interpenetration of self systems.
Loosely, one can think of the first and second orders as egocentric (me), the third order as ethnocentric (us), and the fourth and fifth orders as worldcentric (all of us).

The higher the level of development, the greater the challenge of navigating the increasingly complex territory. For example, certain ways of navigating worldcentric consciousness are more effective than others, so in certain ways some forms of worldcentric consciousness are more mature than others.

As Bob and Ken discuss, an important element of worldcentric consciousness is the contributions of postmodernism, including feminism, civil rights, and, among other things, the understanding that a substantial amount of human knowledge is context dependant and culturally bound. But postmodernism then stepped beyond what it had evidence for and claimed that all knowledge was relative, and therefore nothing could be said to be better than anything else. In fact, a fellow researcher, Clare Graves, called this level of development relativistic (Spiral Dynamics green), which research has shown accounts for about 20% of the American population.

But as Ken points out, that means that about 20% of the population has gotten confused about how to make conscious, explicit judgments. Most of the people in this group would agree that a worldcentric embrace of all cultures is better than ethnocentric racism, but postmodern relativism won't be able tell them why it's okay to think this way. When all judgments have been outlawed, even sensible examples of discriminating awareness rightly applied have nothing to stand on.

A more mature, integral form of worldcentric consciousness acknowledges that there are different levels of consciousness existing in the world today, and that encouraging growth towards greater care, concern, and wholeness is entirely appropriate. No one is required to change the way they are living, but everyone is invited to discover for themselves these higher territories of human potential.

For anyone interested in exploring the possibility of further growth and transformation, it never hurts to have a good map of the terrain ahead. We hope you enjoy this dialogue between two of the best mapmakers out there for the ways we can all inhabit the deeper levels of consciousness this world so desperately needs....

(Although unnecessary for the enjoyment of this dialogue, feel free to check out Part 1 of this dynamic conversation....)


Did you know you can burn an audio CD of this dialogue and listen to it in your car or anywhere using a standard CD player, or—an increasingly popular move—listen on your iPod. Too cool!
The Evolving Self, In Over Our Heads, How the Way We Talk Can Change the Way We Work, postmodernism, Vaclav Havel, developmental psychology, Integral Psychology, feminism, civil rights, Andrew Cohen, What Is Enlightenment? magazine, Louise Day Hicks, Paul Ray, anti-war protests, the pre/trans fallacy, Richard Pryor, Gene Wilder, Stir Crazy, Lawrence Kohlberg, Leonard Trelawney Hobhouse, Plato, Eros, Plotinus, Aurobindo, the four quadrants (I/We/It/Its), "What Is Integral?," Jane Loevinger, Don Beck, Clare Graves, "What Is Spiral Dynamics Integral?," A Theory of Everything.--->
transmission time: 23 minutes
most memorable moment: "A hundred years ago, people died at a point that we today call mid-life. When you ask 'why are we living longer?,' the glib answer is 'medical science.' The deeper question is, 'why are we developing the knowledge in order to live longer?'"

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